Present:
Valerie King, France
Julie Gabriel, Great Britain
Janesse Leung, Canada
Rebecca Murray, Canada
Mariko Hara, Japan
Mitsue Watanabe, Japan
Akodad Hayatte, Morocco
Maja Odzic, Serbia
Tatiana Abrosova, Russia
Tina Turk, Slovenia
Nina Vehar, Slovenia
Marija Kosi, Croatia
Ksenija Koprek, Croatia
Florence Quist, Canada
1) The members present discussed the need to have a named person in each country who can be a contact for the women’s issues. It was agreed that this MUST be a woman. Valerie distributed her cards and asked each country to contact her with the name and email address of their contact.
2) There was a question about the development of women’s Savate, and specifically how to increase numbers of women participating. There was a survey of those present to get an idea of the percentage of women savateurs in each country:
Great Britain, Canada, Japan – have about 50% women licence holders
Slovenia, Croatia - 40%
France - 30 %
With more women in Savate, we could have more officials - this would help especially around weigh-ins. It was agreed that it is not appropriate for men to conduct weigh-ins for women fighters.
3) Members present were asked for their thoughts on two piece integrals:
Two piece would probably be cheaper, and would also allow the top to be changed. For example, to have one colour top for the fighters club, and a different colour top for their national team.
Many men are uncomfortable with one piece, American and Canadian men are particularly unhappy to wear a one piece integrale.
Canadians in the World Assaut Championships last year had two piece integrales with flat buttons to keep the pieces together. Some members thought that a Velcro fastening might be safer than buttons.
The Japanese said they would like to try a two piece integrale. The Slovenians thought it would be more practical.
4) Hajib & Integrale
The constraints placed on some women by their culture or religion were also discussed, particularly about the need for head or arm covering.
It was agreed that loose clothing would be a big problem for several reasons e.g. the judges can’t see the touches accurately, loose tops would obscure the targets and the breasts could be hit accidently, the opponents foot could be caught in loose clothing causing an injury.
The members present agreed there was no problem with a long-sleeved integrale – however, the sleeves should not be baggy, as this would be dangerous to the other fighter. It was agreed that long sleeves would be safer than short sleeves as it is easier for a foot to get caught in a loose short sleeve.
With regard to the hajib, some members felt we should not encourage the subjugation of women. However, after discussion, it was agreed that if a women wanted to wear a hajib, it should be allowed. It was agreed that a hajib would need to be fitted tightly to the head and neck to prevent the opponents foot getting caught and to prevent the hajib slipping across eyes. There is also an option to wear the helmet.
5) A further question was raised about whether international women should be forced to wear the hajib if they went to a competition in a country where local women are expected to wear it, for example, Iran.
Some countries said they would wear it, others said they wouldn’t. The Canadians said you should not force women from other countries to wear a hajib if they don’t want to. One member present said “I respect his tradition, but he must accept my tradition also” – all agreed with this.
It was suggested that a Women’s competition could be held separately, but that this would require more female officials. Perhaps the host country could arrange training for more women officials.
Joel Dhumez (International Development) attended the last few minutes of the meeting to find out how it had progressed.
Afsaneh Bagheri was suggested as a potential Iranian Correspondent.
The member present agreed that further meetings would be useful
2) There was a question about the development of women’s Savate, and specifically how to increase numbers of women participating. There was a survey of those present to get an idea of the percentage of women savateurs in each country:
Great Britain, Canada, Japan – have about 50% women licence holders
Slovenia, Croatia - 40%
France - 30 %
With more women in Savate, we could have more officials - this would help especially around weigh-ins. It was agreed that it is not appropriate for men to conduct weigh-ins for women fighters.
3) Members present were asked for their thoughts on two piece integrals:
Two piece would probably be cheaper, and would also allow the top to be changed. For example, to have one colour top for the fighters club, and a different colour top for their national team.
Many men are uncomfortable with one piece, American and Canadian men are particularly unhappy to wear a one piece integrale.
Canadians in the World Assaut Championships last year had two piece integrales with flat buttons to keep the pieces together. Some members thought that a Velcro fastening might be safer than buttons.
The Japanese said they would like to try a two piece integrale. The Slovenians thought it would be more practical.
4) Hajib & Integrale
The constraints placed on some women by their culture or religion were also discussed, particularly about the need for head or arm covering.
It was agreed that loose clothing would be a big problem for several reasons e.g. the judges can’t see the touches accurately, loose tops would obscure the targets and the breasts could be hit accidently, the opponents foot could be caught in loose clothing causing an injury.
The members present agreed there was no problem with a long-sleeved integrale – however, the sleeves should not be baggy, as this would be dangerous to the other fighter. It was agreed that long sleeves would be safer than short sleeves as it is easier for a foot to get caught in a loose short sleeve.
With regard to the hajib, some members felt we should not encourage the subjugation of women. However, after discussion, it was agreed that if a women wanted to wear a hajib, it should be allowed. It was agreed that a hajib would need to be fitted tightly to the head and neck to prevent the opponents foot getting caught and to prevent the hajib slipping across eyes. There is also an option to wear the helmet.
5) A further question was raised about whether international women should be forced to wear the hajib if they went to a competition in a country where local women are expected to wear it, for example, Iran.
Some countries said they would wear it, others said they wouldn’t. The Canadians said you should not force women from other countries to wear a hajib if they don’t want to. One member present said “I respect his tradition, but he must accept my tradition also” – all agreed with this.
It was suggested that a Women’s competition could be held separately, but that this would require more female officials. Perhaps the host country could arrange training for more women officials.
Joel Dhumez (International Development) attended the last few minutes of the meeting to find out how it had progressed.
Afsaneh Bagheri was suggested as a potential Iranian Correspondent.
The member present agreed that further meetings would be useful
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